Curse

Nightmare_Pwn · Oct 13, 2008, 05:01 AM // 05:01

Yep. back in the first years and even into the second. Had a guild Dedicated to Scamming the dumb and the ignorant.
How much money did I make? Over 450k from one couple and another 200-270 from smaller jobs.
Was it worth it? hah Hell yea almost a million for 2 weeks work using just my words isent bad. Well at least until I got suspended for 2 days. :P

Sure its bad to Scam and it messes some hard working people up, but thats what you pay for ignorance.

Oh. I've never ever paid for a run in my life. Over 6000 Runs at 1-3k Each. You do the Math

daze · Oct 13, 2008, 05:12 AM // 05:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

Basically, you'll sell out just as much as anyone else, but you believe you're somehow more dignified because you want more money for it.

Not quite. I dont believe im more dignified at all and you are totally wrong if you think ill sell out just as much as someone else just because opportunities to scam a nickel off of someone are much more common than opportunities to scam a fortune.
But that just brings up the old game of "What would you do for 1 million dollars?"

Would you punch your mother for 1 million dollars?

Would you eat dog crap for 1 million dollars?

Would you kiss/blow a dude for 1 million dollars?

I wouldn't break someones car window if i saw a dollar or even 100$ on the car seat, but if i saw 1 million dollars on a car seat i sure would.

I never once said i am dignified i just said my integrity is worth a bit more than 500 fake guild wars gold. I didn't say my integrity is invincible or perfect, just a bit more apparent than most people. (Id feel cheap and petty if i went around nickel and dime scamming people all day)

Basically this is how it goes
IF Integrity > survival THEN: dont take advantage
IF survival > integrity THEN: just do it

100 bucks isnt going to affect my life much so then integrity wins
100 million bucks would greatly affect my life so survival wins

Antares Ascending · Oct 13, 2008, 05:15 AM // 05:15

I think ts great when a scammer you lets folks know what a total piece of crap they are.

Excuses like 'they were stupid' don't cut it. We were all noobs at some point.

I would never feel good about taking advantage of anyone and think those who do are lower than whale shit.

This is nothing to be proud of..go through life like that, and with luck you can find a nice 'lover' in prison :P

Worst of luck to scammers.

DarkEnzanArikado · Oct 13, 2008, 05:26 AM // 05:26

I have never scammed because I never sell things. I have always and will be a poor Guild Wars player.

illidan009 · Oct 14, 2008, 02:22 AM // 02:22

The only time was when I was a noob 3 years ago and scammed my way out of paying 500g for a run (sanctum cay probably). Slightly regretted it ever since.
I don't power trade so no problems with that. The "step out side" thing is just complete bull, as well as putting up 10 for 100. Those people can have their scammed crystallines shoved up their asses.

noneedforclevernames · Oct 14, 2008, 02:32 AM // 02:32

yea, over the weekend i was hffing and someone picked up my gold and left. i hope that 200g really made him happy

AshenX · Oct 14, 2008, 03:00 AM // 03:00

Never have, never will.

Shayne Hawke · Oct 14, 2008, 03:17 AM // 03:17

I've never scammed anyone.

I may have taken advantage of people operating under false judgment, but that's something different.

great sir s · Oct 14, 2008, 03:58 AM // 03:58

oh yeah, did my fair share of scamming. im one of those people back when i started playing two and a half years back, saying "running to droks 1k here 1k there" on my lvl 16 necro primary, and you wouldnt believe the saps that would fall for it i got a good sum of money... for my knowledge and level at the time, 20k was a hell of a lot :-P

R_Frost · Oct 14, 2008, 01:59 PM // 13:59

yeah when i use to do runs in tyria. after i started getting more non-payers then payers, i stopped running and just laugh when i see people begging in towns for runs.

Tha Axod · Oct 14, 2008, 02:36 PM // 14:36

yes i did, a long time ago in diablo 2.
for those who know the game, i sold an unid dragon shield as being unid stormshield, which should be monarch instead of dragon shield tho it looks the same.
this was in the time of patch 1.09 when stormshield was still worth a lot, i traded it for a 40ed/15ias jewel, which would now be worth an awesome lot of gold even in gwg. Tho it gave me a bad feeling and i pm'd the guy and reversed the trade :P

Jenn · Oct 14, 2008, 02:56 PM // 14:56

What's pitiful is when you see runners scam their clients, and it's usually for such a pathetic amount of money. Good examples of that are runs where you pay at the beginning, or halfway through, like Droks runs, some missions, etc. They usually scam because they don't have the know-how to do it, but have the right profession, so they "capitalize" on that circumstance.

Do those scamming "runners" REALLY think that a few hundred gold, or even 1.5k is that much money? I mean even if you ripped off 5 people running a mission for 500g, that's 2.5k total. It probably took them 30 minutes to make that cash, and there are several more legitimate and efficient ways to make money.

That leads me to the conclusion that stupid (re: not rude people. I mean unintelligent or incapable) people are more likely to scam, and are almost always the scammers. Those who can, do. Those who can't find the next best way (trying to rip off someone who can).

In case we're not clear, I believe I just called most self-admitted scammers in this thread stupid.

Those who want to argue that their motivation to scam is based on the "laziness" factor are on the losing end of that battle. How long do you usually think a fake runner spends time getting a full team together, for meagre amounts of money? Or the person who tries to sell an item falsely advertised for more than it's worth? I can make money a lot faster doing it my legit way

Windf0rce · Oct 14, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Never scammed, never will. I like to be a fair person be it in game, be it in real life.

I always pay the runners.

creelie · Oct 14, 2008, 04:15 PM // 16:15

No.

I have empathy.

dont feel no pain · Oct 14, 2008, 05:42 PM // 17:42

Back in 2005 bought a staff with +30 mod for 500g....

It made me lol (back then i sold it for 60k) the good old days.

/confession over

pkodyssey · Oct 14, 2008, 07:40 PM // 19:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by miskav

Define scamming.

If you mean taking advantage of a person that's acting like a total morron and has only himself to blame, then yes.

If you mean going out of my way to scam people, then no.

QFT!!

(12 is the minimum here)

Xunlai Guru Agent · Oct 15, 2008, 07:00 PM // 19:00

I bought expensive items from players that didn't know its actual value and I still do whenever an opportunity presents itself. I don't really think of it as scamming although I wouldn't be surprised if other people would think other wise. >_>

lord_shar · Oct 15, 2008, 10:14 PM // 22:14

I have never scammed. If someone wants to sell me something below its actual worth, I'll inform him about its true value prior to any purchase. I simply refuse to exploit anyone's ignorance and misery.

On the flipside, many scammers have tried and failed to steal anything from me. I treat all transactions slowly and carefully. Caution is my friend and ally.

Pleikki · Oct 16, 2008, 04:41 AM // 04:41

umm yea ive scammed once. at 2005 bought 29hp staff wrap for 1k.. they sold for 20-30k back then .. Oh my i scammed 29hp staff wrap :d

jaximus · Oct 16, 2008, 04:59 AM // 04:59

nope, i over pay cuz i feel bad for people who beg n say how bad they need the money even though i know they dont and i sell too low cuz they beg n say how they have no money even though i know they do. ive lost a lot of money this way and im sure ive helped to finish up several sets of obby, but owell, maybe one day someone will do the same for me